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Still Delusional in Kansas
An article on the front page of Today’s L.A. Times, reveals the deeply flawed attitudes that enter into a legitimate debate in Kansas’ educational system among others: To teach Creationism in school or not?
In the article titled “Evolution isn’t a Natural Selection Here” Kathy Martin, a member of the state board of education, is quoted as saying, ”Evolution is a great theory, but it is flawed.” said Martin, 59m a retired science and elementary school teacher who is presiding over the hearings. “There are alternatives. Children need to hear them…we can’t ignore that our nation is based on Christianity and not science.”
That would be the same nation that Thomas Jefferson
“Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity."- Notes on Virginia, 1782
“But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
- Notes on Virginia, 1782
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."- Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
Benjamin Franklin....
"When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one." - in a letter to Richard Price. October 9, 1790.
"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."
“God grant that not only the love of liberty but a thorough knowledge of the rights of man may pervade all the nations of the earth, so that a philosopher may set his foot anywhere on its surface and say: This is my country.”
George Washington (who was kicked out of his church for refusing to pay the tithe)...
“Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. I had hoped that liberal and enlightened thought would have reconciled the Christians so that their [not our?] religious fights would not endanger the peace of Society.” - Letter to Sir Edward Newenham, June 22, 1792)
Thomas Paine...
“I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of...Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."
John Adams...
“Nothing is more dreaded than the national government meddling with religion.”
“Thirteen governments [states & former colonies] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretense of miracle or mystery...are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.”
“How has it happened that millions of myths, fables, legends and tales have been blended with Jewish and Christian fables and myths and have made them the most bloody religion that has ever existed? Filled with the sordid and detestable purposes of superstition and fraud?” - Letters to F.A. Van Der Kamp 1809-1816
Created?
In the sense that Western Society has been dominated by Christian culture and mores for at least a thousand years, then we can say America is a Christian Country, as is every country in Europe, North America and most of Central and South America due to the inherent values or equality, justice and charity Christianity has imparted to Western Culture. But the 2nd Continental Congress did not, in anyway, want Christianity to dominate the American political scene and went far out of their way to avoid it.
The L.A. Times article goes on to say that the Kansas Board of Education has two proposals on the block:
“The first recommends that students continue to be taught the theory of evolution because it is key to understanding biology. The second proposes that Kansas alter the definition of science, not limiting it to theories based on natural explanations.”
That Creationism and Intelligent Design are alternative theories to Darwin’s and others evolutionary theories are by all means correct. I know that California has never shied away from teachers presenting Creationism as an alternative theory and my college Anthropology professor did so conscientiously. I do not think that they should be excluded from school in the slightest, as long as the proper amount of time is given to the theories which have the most archeological and biological support, which, so sorry to say, is Evolution and it’s permutations.
However, what Kansas is doing is going too far. They are trying to push this as a religious agenda and doing so stupidly. Never give a man a gun unless you know how he is going to use it. There is no guarantee that the teacher will confine his or her “unnatural science” to Christian Creationism. If he or she wants to teach UFO Theory and Von Dankien in their classrooms, they now have the leeway to do so. By opening up the definition of “science” in such a way, they not only have opened the door to Creationism and Intelligent Design theory, but to a Flat Earth, ESP, phrenology and Paranormal occurrences.
In short, welcome to Spoon Bending 101.
This is the kind of idiocy that happens when politicians, rather than scientists, start making science, especially when it is based on religion.
“Now the conservative Christians expect to get things done and they expect politicians they backed to deliver for them, said John Green, director of the Bliss Institute of Applied Politics at the University of Akron in Ohio. “In cases where they have more influence, such as the Kansas school board, they’re going to do it themselves”...In 1999, the board of education, then dominated by conservatives Republicans, voted to reject evolution as a scientific theory and erased most references to it from the curriculum.”
And people wonder why Blue States look at the Red States funny.
People wonder why most of the rest of the world is laughing at us.
The voters in Kansas showed their protest to the “Evolution ban” in the next round of election that cleaned house, but it happened again during the gay marriage debate as ministers and priests mobilized voters to the polls to ban gay marriage.
This is the very essence of what the Founding Fathers, who all were well steeped in the Enlightenment, were trying to avoid: Church Dominance of the State.
NASCAR Goes To The Lady in Black.
Best of luck to the Bud, M&M and Viagra teams at Darlington this weekend!
Still Delusional in Kansas
An article on the front page of Today’s L.A. Times, reveals the deeply flawed attitudes that enter into a legitimate debate in Kansas’ educational system among others: To teach Creationism in school or not?
In the article titled “Evolution isn’t a Natural Selection Here” Kathy Martin, a member of the state board of education, is quoted as saying, ”Evolution is a great theory, but it is flawed.” said Martin, 59m a retired science and elementary school teacher who is presiding over the hearings. “There are alternatives. Children need to hear them…we can’t ignore that our nation is based on Christianity and not science.”
That would be the same nation that Thomas Jefferson
“Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity."- Notes on Virginia, 1782
“But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
- Notes on Virginia, 1782
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."- Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
Benjamin Franklin....
"When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one." - in a letter to Richard Price. October 9, 1790.
"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."
“God grant that not only the love of liberty but a thorough knowledge of the rights of man may pervade all the nations of the earth, so that a philosopher may set his foot anywhere on its surface and say: This is my country.”
George Washington (who was kicked out of his church for refusing to pay the tithe)...
“Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. I had hoped that liberal and enlightened thought would have reconciled the Christians so that their [not our?] religious fights would not endanger the peace of Society.” - Letter to Sir Edward Newenham, June 22, 1792)
Thomas Paine...
“I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of...Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."
John Adams...
“Nothing is more dreaded than the national government meddling with religion.”
“Thirteen governments [states & former colonies] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretense of miracle or mystery...are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.”
“How has it happened that millions of myths, fables, legends and tales have been blended with Jewish and Christian fables and myths and have made them the most bloody religion that has ever existed? Filled with the sordid and detestable purposes of superstition and fraud?” - Letters to F.A. Van Der Kamp 1809-1816
Created?
In the sense that Western Society has been dominated by Christian culture and mores for at least a thousand years, then we can say America is a Christian Country, as is every country in Europe, North America and most of Central and South America due to the inherent values or equality, justice and charity Christianity has imparted to Western Culture. But the 2nd Continental Congress did not, in anyway, want Christianity to dominate the American political scene and went far out of their way to avoid it.
The L.A. Times article goes on to say that the Kansas Board of Education has two proposals on the block:
“The first recommends that students continue to be taught the theory of evolution because it is key to understanding biology. The second proposes that Kansas alter the definition of science, not limiting it to theories based on natural explanations.”
That Creationism and Intelligent Design are alternative theories to Darwin’s and others evolutionary theories are by all means correct. I know that California has never shied away from teachers presenting Creationism as an alternative theory and my college Anthropology professor did so conscientiously. I do not think that they should be excluded from school in the slightest, as long as the proper amount of time is given to the theories which have the most archeological and biological support, which, so sorry to say, is Evolution and it’s permutations.
However, what Kansas is doing is going too far. They are trying to push this as a religious agenda and doing so stupidly. Never give a man a gun unless you know how he is going to use it. There is no guarantee that the teacher will confine his or her “unnatural science” to Christian Creationism. If he or she wants to teach UFO Theory and Von Dankien in their classrooms, they now have the leeway to do so. By opening up the definition of “science” in such a way, they not only have opened the door to Creationism and Intelligent Design theory, but to a Flat Earth, ESP, phrenology and Paranormal occurrences.
In short, welcome to Spoon Bending 101.
This is the kind of idiocy that happens when politicians, rather than scientists, start making science, especially when it is based on religion.
“Now the conservative Christians expect to get things done and they expect politicians they backed to deliver for them, said John Green, director of the Bliss Institute of Applied Politics at the University of Akron in Ohio. “In cases where they have more influence, such as the Kansas school board, they’re going to do it themselves”...In 1999, the board of education, then dominated by conservatives Republicans, voted to reject evolution as a scientific theory and erased most references to it from the curriculum.”
And people wonder why Blue States look at the Red States funny.
People wonder why most of the rest of the world is laughing at us.
The voters in Kansas showed their protest to the “Evolution ban” in the next round of election that cleaned house, but it happened again during the gay marriage debate as ministers and priests mobilized voters to the polls to ban gay marriage.
This is the very essence of what the Founding Fathers, who all were well steeped in the Enlightenment, were trying to avoid: Church Dominance of the State.
NASCAR Goes To The Lady in Black.
Best of luck to the Bud, M&M and Viagra teams at Darlington this weekend!
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